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x_los ([personal profile] x_los) wrote in [community profile] dankodes2022-01-26 09:31 pm

The Works of Li Qingzhao, Ci Poems 3.1 - 3.8

This week we start working with Li Qingzhao’s ci poetry. As usual, the book is freely available via De Gruyter's Library of Chinese Humanities in Mandarin and English and via several publication formats, including two open access options (the pdf appears to be better formatted than the ebook). We're reading the poems 3.1 through 3.8 inclusive.

This collection uses footnotes and endnotes to explicate the work. There are three endnotes for this week’s group of poems, but these aren’t very rich in exegesis.


CLP has an episode on Li Qingzhao you might find relevant.

Re: 3.3

[personal profile] ann712 2022-01-27 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
It reminds me of my teenage prayer, “oh God, let me write one poem as good as one by Keats.”

Re: 3.5

[personal profile] ann712 2022-01-27 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Me neither!

Re: 3.8

[personal profile] ann712 2022-01-27 10:31 pm (UTC)(link)
it’s hard to look for blossoms 8 when the west wind retains winter’s chill.

Really relating to this.
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Re: 3.5

[personal profile] llonkrebboj 2022-01-29 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
Oh this is the one that has been made into a song for Story of Minglan!
Here's an adorable pair of girls singing it.

I wonder at which point in her life did she write this and if she is the speaker. Is this a little sketch of what happened one morning, or a something from her imagination...?

It has very /youth/ vibes if that makes sense. Mood being influenced that the time has passed for the blooming flowers and being sad that the season is over.

Love how she describes the crabapple blossoms as 'reds' supposed to be thinning (the literal word is thin! What's this 'spindly' nonsense?), and the green leaves 'fattening' i.e. growing dense. It's such a fresh and slightly playful turn of phrase. Oh - and I just looked up images of crabapple trees, and in spring aka flowering season, they are absolutely COVERED in red or pink blossoms. You can hardly see any green. It's very pretty.

Also this whole little scene - it made me laugh!

Can you imagine someone maybe upset and drinking the night away while the wind is whooooooooooooing outside, and drizzling raindrops tap-tapping on the roof. Then they fall asleep and wake up still sort of drunk, feeling all melancholy about like, the going away of beautiful things. (/o\ I'm not going to look out the window!) When the maid comes in all matter-of-factly rolling up the blinds, they mock-casually ask, "hey would you just take a look and tell me how are the flowers today?"

The maid is like ???? "Nothing's changed, miss? They're all still out there." If she's ever been upset about fallen blossoms, it's probably when thinking about how much there is to sweep.

And the person is so exasperated like aaaaaaa she doesn't get it! 'Don't you know? Don't you know?! It's time for them to all be falling!"

EXACTLY like when I was trying to tell my dad about how it feels to sit on the work bus with a childhood friend when we used to take the morning school bus together, and he DIDN'T get it until I came right out to say "Ah, time passes fast!"
Edited 2022-01-29 01:01 (UTC)
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Re: 3.6 咏白菊 On the White Chrysanthemum

[personal profile] llonkrebboj 2022-01-29 04:58 am (UTC)(link)
WHERE are the associations for chrysanthemums that are queer? *side-eye emoji*

She really likes her flowers LOL! And her descriptions are always wonderfully vivid.

I think the Qu Yuan and Tao Qian mentions are because they both appreciate and like to write chrysanthemums into their poems? The last line of 'Qu Yuan’s marsh and Tao Qian’s eastern hedge' is a reference for the person (in Qu Yuan's case, because of the whole riverside/marsh bank conversation with the fisherman) and also to a poem (for Tao Yuan Ming).

I get why the translator would use Qu Yuan's marsh for 泽畔 when it really is just 'Riverside', and Tao Qian’s eastern hedge for 东篱 i.e. fence on the East side - because English readers just wouldn't have the context for the memes (unless they are familiar enough with Chinese poetry to catch the ball from the earlier name drop lmao).

Can't make heads or tails of what she's saying here though.
1) if you're doing well, there's no need to think of these people who dropped everything and left their vexing workplaces/situations?
2) just appreciate them for their beauty and don't think about wanting unhappy things?

Re: 3.5

[personal profile] pengwern 2022-01-29 05:54 am (UTC)(link)
she’s so charming....( ´▽` )ノ(_ _).。o○
the vibe I get from this is slightly older world weary later twenties thirties? probably bc of the 殘 and the tempestuous storm and weary snooze. rain/wind and the imperfections of age weathering someone

Re: 3.1

[personal profile] pengwern 2022-01-29 06:03 am (UTC)(link)
the screens are lowered as it’s the night time, and the diancui (featherwork) making the lotus pods and gold embroidered lotus leaves on the rich garment have turned small and become loosened as the years weather the clothes worn when her finances were good and when the country had not fallen to invaders...so much trauma like most of the song poets ;-;
oh wow her life is so sad ;^;
天上星河轉
人間簾幕垂。is such a gorgeous thing to say though
Edited 2022-01-29 07:12 (UTC)

Re: 3.2

[personal profile] pengwern 2022-01-29 06:11 am (UTC)(link)
waking the fire to divide the tea is just describing parts of the tea ceremony which the Song had the wherewithal to luxuriate in (before the whole national trauma ofc)
the jade hook is the crescent moon, the gold lock is on the door (they like pairing jade and gold)
her verses are so pretty....aaa

Re: 3.4

[personal profile] pengwern 2022-01-29 06:29 am (UTC)(link)
Song is generally known for the openness and freedom for women especially compared to the stifling horrorshow of ming and qing.
I really do love any of the lyrical verses involving the passage through lotus leaves.....such a mainstay of the waterways and lakes of the jiangnan region, and this very famous one is so so lovely.

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