Shi Jing, The Book of Odes: Lessons from the States, Odes Of Chen

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139. 東門之池 - Dong Men Zhi Chi

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東門之池、可以漚麻。
彼美淑姬、可與晤歌。

The moat at the east gate,
Is fit to steep hemp in.
That beautiful, virtuous, lady,
Can respond to you in songs.

東門之池、可以漚紵。
彼美淑姬、可與晤語。

The moat at the east gate,
Is fit to steep the boehmeria in.
That beautiful, virtuous, lady,
Can respond to you in discourse.

東門之池、可以漚菅。
彼美淑姬、可與晤言。

The moat at the east gate,
Is fit to steep the rope-rush in.
That beautiful, virtuous lady,
Can respond to you in conversation.

Re: 139. 東門之池 - Dong Men Zhi Chi

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To steep these useful plants, the moat water would have to be clear and wholesome. It's adapted to many good purposes; so too is this smart and moral lady.

Re: 139. 東門之池 - Dong Men Zhi Chi

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Baike:

"moat": Baike's gloss says moat, but one source says pond

"virtuous": could mean virtuous/beautiful, one source says it means the seniority among siblings is third

"lady": a surname, one source says a nice sounding moniker for a woman

"songs": specifically referring to antiphonal songs

"boehmeria": also ramie, used to make ropes

"rope-rush": a plant like reeds, used to make straw shoes after soaked

The Mao commentary on this is, once again, about satirizing the monarch. Is any poem not? But Baike spends most time interpreting it as a love poem, where they are hard at work and they're talking and singing.

The poem has the very common pattern of the second+third stanza basically being repetitions, as in traditional folk songs.

Re: 139. 東門之池 - Dong Men Zhi Chi

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Antiphonal Songs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiphon

Re: 139. 東門之池 - Dong Men Zhi Chi

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In the call-and-response / alternating singers meaning, not the Christian one lol

Re: 139. 東門之池 - Dong Men Zhi Chi

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I mean, I did assume! Just had to look it up, so thought I'd drop the link in case anyone else did as well.