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Eighteen Songs of a Nomad Flute is "a series of Chinese songs and poems about the life of Han Dynasty (202 BCE – 220 CE) poet Cai Wenji[;] the songs were composed by Liu Shang, a poet of the middle Tang Dynasty. Later Emperor Gaozong of Song (1107–1187) commissioned a handscroll with the songs accompanied by 18 painted scenes." 

This week, we're reading poems 1-6, up to page 40, in
this collection. Because of the nature of the book in question, I'll ask you to refer here for Chinese and English copies of the poems and the images together.

You can
view the scroll as a whole more easily and read some background on the Met's website; the Wiki page will also help orient you.  

This is the first of three weeks we'll be spending on this collection. I'll link us to some additional background information in the coming weeks, once we've had a chance to orient ourselves; this is the first time the piece we're looking at has come with its own explanatory material, and that's a sound starting-point. 
Date: 2021-09-12 09:02 pm (UTC)

Re: 2. Departure from China

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I'm not super sure how they know her party didn't go all the way to the edge of the Tianshan mountains? Like, the western side is solidly in southern Xionghu territory as far as I can make out.

Yeah red/green/yellow/white/black (dark blue) are the 5 element colours. I'd put a picture here if I had any idea how to do that in comments on dreamwidth.

The last couplet rhymes and has a pleasing weight even in modern mandarin, that's nice.

I'm not sure how I feel about this translation - "豺狼喜怒難姑息" well 豺狼 is straight up a word for 'evil/cruel people' dating from at least the Song dynasty and 姑息 seems more likely to be 'appease' in this context? like "the pleasure and passion of wolves and jackals are difficult to appease' like it isn't reeeeeally a metaphor it's obvious that the wolves and jackals are the Xiongnu.
Date: 2021-09-13 01:16 am (UTC)

Re: 2. Departure from China

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From: [personal profile] superborb
I guess the TL is trying to follow her anger? So taking the 'difficult to tolerate' meaning instead.
Date: 2021-09-13 10:11 pm (UTC)

Re: 2. Departure from China

vorvayne: Abarai Renji, guy with long red hair and intense expression (Default)
From: [personal profile] vorvayne
Yeah, on second read I'm not bothered by this and more bothered by the general phrasing.

Like this isn't - I don't want it to be like, Vorvayne arrives in the chat with their weekly complaints about translation, I just learn things when I try to pick them apart.

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