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After a delay in which I came down with various interesting illnesses, we return to The Works of Li Qingzhao, freely available via De Gruyter's Library of Chinese Humanities in Mandarin and English and via several publication formats, including two open access options (the pdf appears to be better formatted than the ebook). This week we're reading the prose chapter: 2.1 through 2.5, inclusive.

This collection uses footnotes and end notes to explicate the work. A few of this week's poems have footnotes, so look out for that.

CLP has an episode on Li Qingzhao you might find relevant.
Date: 2022-01-16 06:25 pm (UTC)

Re: 2.1 詞論 On Song Lyrics

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The Baike gloss for the line about the melon and bean is 'appearance of all split up and in pieces' (an idiom). I think the word that is translated as 'peeled apart' is more directly 'cut open' though.
Date: 2022-01-16 05:28 pm (UTC)

Re: 2.1 詞論 On Song Lyrics

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I suppose it would read a bit like "all my competitors suck," but the criticism is all very specific. Except for Huang, guess his flaws are just self-evident.
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Baike says that she ought to have been imprisoned for two years, if not for this intervention.

Baike says something about 'vertical' and 'horizontal' composition elements and how skillfully they are combined, but frankly, that was no more illuminating than 'parallel prose'

Gloss on 'to taste medicine for me': ancient rite/etiquette, when one's elders have medicine, the younger tastes it before offering it to them

Gloss on 'mulberry and elm': once referred to a tree where the sunset dwelled. Later, the light in the trees became likened to old age.

'the celestial mind': the original uses a word which my dictionary says is 'imperial apartments' and Baike clarifies refers to the emperor

Gloss on 'fire mouse / ice silkworm': from folklore, one is birthed from fire, one from ice, together they represent totally different natures.

Gloss on 'single pitcher / single rice bowl': indicates living a simple, ascetic life
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ahhhh I hope you’re feeling better!

I guess that the self deprecation and abasement sound really off and weird in english bc it’s like.....only literati hearkening to these super mannered forms that says shit like this [忝在葭莩,敢茲塵瀆] it’s worded into elegant four word phrases..,,,:「孩兒叨賴母親福庇,忝中狀元,欽賜遊街。」basically I’ve only seen this character ‘shame’ used by scholar characters being formal; in the other sentence there “shamefully I became zhuangyuan” its direct equivalent there is “for my sins”.
but bc english goes for literal meaning alone it gets out of context a bit?
I could be wrong though about all of that, it’s just that the intensity of expressions used here is part of how they (the literati tend to say things) which isn’t to say that other people wouldn’t also say cringing things, but gushiwen words the meaning of the last sentence as “I’m fortunate to be the distant relative of (guy), sorry to have bothered you.”

Everything in this is in the kind of hugely....formal parallelism that novels have conditioned me to find hot....man really devastating stuff narrated with refined elegance and restraint is my kryptonite
aaaa /o\ she’s admitting to all this but in a virtuoso display of wordsmith skills, girlboss something idk XD
Edited Date: 2022-01-29 07:41 am (UTC)
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Dictionary defns: ding is ancient cooking cauldron with two looped handles and three or four legs, li is ancient ceramic three-legged vessel used for cooking with cord markings on the outside and hollow legs.

Zuo Commentary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuo_Zhuan
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Baike has what seems like some basic instructions that have been reconstructed. It honestly from the description seems more like a modern board game than I'd expect -- a board with locations, different pieces that have different functions in those locations, and movements/actions constrained by dice throw results. Also is played 2-5, with 2 being best.
Edited Date: 2022-01-16 09:57 pm (UTC)
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Does every line really have to be an allusion, bc that's... a lot...
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